tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post2464493102174265447..comments2023-12-03T21:27:05.919-08:00Comments on Oath Keepers: OFFICIAL OATH KEEPERS SPEECHES THAT JULY 4 TEA PARTY EVENTS CAN USEOath Keepershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15939646713789441375noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-63467576354490327962009-09-29T19:13:02.514-07:002009-09-29T19:13:02.514-07:00On August 23 Seraphim said...
As a conservative la...On August 23 Seraphim said...<br />As a conservative law student, I am not sure that the "declaration of ten orders we will not obey" is Constitutionally grounded, and it certainly needs better wording.<br />[snip]<br />----------------------------- <br /><br />That's strange Seraphim because Mr Rhodes wrote that and he was the winner of the Yale Law School Miller Prize.<br /><br />Stewart graduated from Yale Law School in 2004, where his paper “Solving the Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status” won Yale’s Miller prize for best paper on the Bill of Rights.<br />He assisted teaching U.S. military history at Yale, was a Yale Research Scholar, and is writing a book on the dangers of applying the laws of war to the American people.<br /><br />So ... what law school prizes have you won ?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><b>Not on Our Watch</b>CaptGoochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09056045142629197366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-6625112838428517202009-08-23T15:11:09.588-07:002009-08-23T15:11:09.588-07:00[cont'd]
6. We will NOT obey any order to bl...[cont'd]<br /><br /><br /><b>6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.</b><br /><br />This is a good provision, assuming that the blockade is not a Constitutionally-authorized response to a rebellion.<br /><br /><b>7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.</b><br /><br />Again, a good provision, assuming that the citizens in question are not engaged in rebellion against the United States -- in which case the oath to uphold the Constitution and defend against its enemies would take precedence.<br /><br /><b>8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."</b><br /><br />Why is this unlawful or unconstitutional? U.S. troops daily assist or support foreign troops on foreign soil to "keep the peace" or "help maintain control." See: Germany, Japan, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.<br /><br />If something disastrous <i>were</i> to happen in the United States, such that public order broke down and the federal and state governments could no longer keep order on their own, there's no legal or Constitutional reason forbidding foreign troops from helping restore order at government direction.<br /><br /><b>9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.</b><br /><br />Again, who are "the American people?" Seizure of property has always been lawful when coupled with appropriate due process -- in fact, the Fourth Amendment expressly permits reasonable seizures.<br /><br /><b>10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.</b><br /><br />This is an excellent provision, assuming the Oath Keeper in question understands that none of the above rights are unlimited, and understands the legal limitations of those rights.<br /><br />For example, free speech does not include the right to scream obscenities at a preacher in church.<br /><br />Peaceable assembly does not include the right to assemble wherever one chooses with no regard to who owns the property or what inconvenience or impediment the assembly causes.<br /><br />Petition for redress of grievances does not include the right to harass state officials.<br /><br />And so on.<br /><br />As you can see, there are several serious issues with the Oath Keepers' Declaration. While my opinion does not constitute legal counsel, I strongly believe that, as currently written, the Oath Keepers' Declaration actually encourages <i>unconstitutional</i> and <i>illegal</i> behavior.<br /><br />Peace.Roberto Valenzuelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01236508828710733294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-80078633259607935782009-08-23T15:10:36.176-07:002009-08-23T15:10:36.176-07:00As a conservative law student, I am not sure that ...As a conservative law student, I am not sure that the "declaration of ten orders we will not obey" is Constitutionally grounded, and it certainly needs better wording. From the top:<br /><br /><b>1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.</b><br /><br />Are convicted felons part of "the American people"? How about American citizens presently engaged in commission of violent crimes? How about American citizens bearing arms on property where the lawful proprietor has demanded disarmament? It's completely Constitutional and lawful to obey an order to disarm any of the above, even though they may well be part of "the American People." I would suggest that this provision has too much wiggle room.<br /><br /><b>2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.</b><br /><br />Reread the Fourth Amendment. There is no express provision that all searches must have search warrants, and warrantless searches under certain conditions have <i>always</i> been lawful in the United States. I would suggest modifying this provision to apply to <i>unlawful</i> warrantless searches.<br /><br /><b>3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.</b><br /><br />What about soldiers? They're American citizens subject to military tribunals, and always have been.<br /><br />What about an American citizen who expressly disclaims allegiance to the United State and expressly claims allegiance to what the Geneva Conventions would call an "irregular" combatant organization? Having ratified the Geneva Conventions, they have the force of law on the United States, and expressly permit irregular combatants to be detained in war zones. Why would this be so unlawful that it would break an oath to the Constitution?<br /><br /><b>4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.</b><br /><br />Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution expressly provides for the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus -- which is equivalent to the imposition of martial law. As such, disobeying orders consonant with a lawful suspension of the writ would actually be unconstitutional. I would suggest seriously modifying this provision.<br /><br /><b>5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.</b><br /><br />You should clarify that "state" means "one of the United States," and not "other country."<br /><br />In addition, why not? According to the Framers of the Constitution, sovereignty vests in We the People as a whole, not in any State. This is why the Constitution was ratified by the People, rather than by state legislatures or officials. Just as the majority of people among the States voted to make the Constitution binding over the States (and, representatively, to add new States to the Union), so must the majority of the People vote to grant any given State sovereignty against the United States. This is a basic principle of constitutional law. As such, if a State <i>were</i> to unilaterally assert its sovereignty against the United States, this would be equivalent to rebellion, which the Constitution expressly authorizes the United Sates to suppress.Roberto Valenzuelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01236508828710733294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-12430178222100841082009-07-08T17:05:43.739-07:002009-07-08T17:05:43.739-07:00unreal.unreal.?https://www.blogger.com/profile/17401865390985851113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-58302122591941415342009-07-08T14:09:52.584-07:002009-07-08T14:09:52.584-07:00We know feds,Leo and Military are running Ops all ...We know feds,Leo and Military are running Ops all across America preparing to subdue the American people. Fema is also prepping with foreign troops coming on U.S. Soil never in our history have we had this. The True rulers are getting ready to wage war against American vs American by calling them domestic terrorist. We all know this is nothing but a hostile banking coup. While the bankers implode the economy The own U.S. Law enforcement and military will be there to ensure the take over is completed from Liberty and Freedom to tyranny and death. Poverty for all Americans await unless Police and sheriff's Take the communities back and kick out the corrupted feds and the military stands down. We as a Nation is doomed and enslaved to what we fought so hard against. Oath Keepers, thank you for bringing Real Hope back into my life. Please keep educating Leo and Military to what it means to be not only a American but also a Patriot.<br />It is a sad day when a Patriot is called a Terrorist, bravery and truth is scarce in a sea of lies and corruption. May the Lord protect you and all your families, God Bless all oath keepers... You have a chance to forever change History now is the time to decide kind of world our children will live in...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-80297148200375377372009-07-08T12:01:56.260-07:002009-07-08T12:01:56.260-07:00Anon, says, "I guess you missed the point. We...Anon, says, "I guess you missed the point. Well im sure someone will create a youtube video or something all you guys can be "awakened" by and understand."<br /><br />This site is about the Oath to the Constitution. I don't understand what the plight of the Native Americans has to do with that Oath. There is probably a website that concerns that issue, or you could start your own. I am not disregarding your message, I am just saying there is probably a better venue for it.CorbinKalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190860109045068350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-16925006683727280002009-07-08T10:46:46.131-07:002009-07-08T10:46:46.131-07:00God Bless you oath keepers you are our last line o...God Bless you oath keepers you are our last line of defense... Our real Enemies are the bankers and bought corrupted politicizations who pass bills they don't read and only hurt every American family. Treason in the highest position is a norm now... The corporation is killing our brave men and women, I pray for the oath keepers to be successful and to open more hearts and minds of the Police and military to discover that America has been Hijacked by offshore bankers and corporations. You are the resistance, you are the Oath Keepers...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-58142391409945596222009-07-08T06:55:21.564-07:002009-07-08T06:55:21.564-07:00I guess you missed the point. Well im sure someone...I guess you missed the point. Well im sure someone will create a youtube video or something all you guys can be "awakened" by and understand. <br /><br />if you do get a chance maybe just read this quote and it might help you down the line. No need to reply, just read it, if you don't thats your choice. <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Letter_to_the_American_PeopleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-70567668884991181432009-07-07T18:51:48.861-07:002009-07-07T18:51:48.861-07:00Anon, are you saying that the crimes against Nativ...Anon, are you saying that the crimes against Native Americans were sanctioned by the Constitution? Did you come to that conclusion from Wikipedia? You might not want to put too much stock in Wikipedia. Those revisionist history pages change with the wind.CorbinKalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190860109045068350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-58997969566372637832009-07-07T11:56:15.293-07:002009-07-07T11:56:15.293-07:00here's a good one that our american constituti...here's a good one that our american constitution really did GOOD!!!<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_TearsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-61055863211076325652009-07-07T11:52:12.594-07:002009-07-07T11:52:12.594-07:00i guess our great constituion figured out a really...i guess our great constituion figured out a really good way to control.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars#Removal_era_warsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-57917060288657963212009-07-07T11:46:09.823-07:002009-07-07T11:46:09.823-07:00To support your stance on not listening to corpora...To support your stance on not listening to corporate media, we should reeducate ourselves. START with who arrived here first,, An Italian, Dutch and English. Who lived here before them? Here's a possibly biased but pretty fair cheat sheet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States . OkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-22304995869498414782009-07-07T11:39:47.062-07:002009-07-07T11:39:47.062-07:00will you protect the native americans, would you h...will you protect the native americans, would you have protected your ancestors who migrated here?<br />The world is one place, governments and constitutions are only as good as the paper they are written on. Human beings are the thing we should try to save not constitutions or "land". Ownership is the first step tyrannical behavior, the want to control what they own. This is something that will out live your memory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-53632544544959582632009-07-06T22:44:26.336-07:002009-07-06T22:44:26.336-07:00"It's just a piece of paper ." -Geor..."It's just a piece of paper ." -George Bush<br /><br /><br />Like hell it is ! The constitution of the United States of America is the soul and spine of this country. It is her character ! It is why I became an American . . Remind them all that below the political corruption Americans are no less American than we were. The thing about America I love most is that when things are at their worst, Americans are at their best.TotalDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850147439669337932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-15482825193631173122009-07-06T16:30:05.943-07:002009-07-06T16:30:05.943-07:00HR1388 passed in the middle of the night to bring ...HR1388 passed in the middle of the night to bring humas refugees into the USA for us to house and feed. 20.3 million dollars.<br />What is happening to our country, we are loseing it fast.<br />Its time to take our country back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-2275705293501057512009-07-06T05:05:05.629-07:002009-07-06T05:05:05.629-07:00Nice information provided by you.
You are doing ve...Nice information provided by you.<br />You are doing very well job! keep it up.propertyhttp://www.cyprusproperty.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-54361516252896724772009-07-03T11:39:27.602-07:002009-07-03T11:39:27.602-07:00wow you hit the nail right on the spot with the 1s...wow you hit the nail right on the spot with the 1st speech. Please Everyone we are all Americans lets stand together against tyranny this will affect every family in America. Thank you oath keepers you are a true blessing from the lord may he grant you strength, Our country is in the darkest of all its days. I pray you are successful. Leo Please look deep into your heart you are Peace Officers Not Law enforcement there is a big difference. God Bless you all...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651927896761539904.post-90496719795030281252009-07-03T07:35:13.437-07:002009-07-03T07:35:13.437-07:00Reading that list again brings tears to my eyes. ...Reading that list again brings tears to my eyes. Thank you so much. All of you. For preserving and protecting the Constitution of this great land. You bring comfort to this worried soul.Opus #6https://www.blogger.com/profile/02063785617333740178noreply@blogger.com